Ms. Olivia: Welcome to The Weekly Hot Spot, kink conversation, advice, and insight from the worlds of distance domination and phone sex. I’m Mistress Olivia here with Ms. Erika, and we loved talking with Yvonne so much during the episode about self acceptance as a crossdresser that we invited her back for another interview on crossdresser feminization.

Yvonne, thank you for joining us.

Yvonne: So good to be here. 

Ms. Olivia: It’s fabulous. We want you to turn on your Skype cam because we want to see what you’re wearing. Let me describe this gown.

It’s got one shoulder, with applique on the one shoulder strap, ruching all over and under the bodice, which, of course, brings attention to the tits. We automatically approve of that. Your hair is perfect, your makeup is divine, and your jewelry is spot-on perfect.


You look fabulous, Yvonne!


Yvonne: Well, thank you. 


Ms. Olivia: Tell us about the dress.


Yvonne: I’ve had this dress and I hadn’t worn it in a while and I was going through the closet figuring out what I was going to wear today. I didn’t want to wear a wedding dress. This jumped out at me.


Ms. Olivia: This brings up some of the things we’re going to talk about today. How do you choose to develop a sense of style? What tips can you give other people searching for a sense of style, even if they don’t want your exact style?


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Ms. Erika: We love the reviews because they say they love our energy. They love that we are not strict, mean Mistresses all the time. I like that because it shows we are very dynamic women. We aren’t just one kind of Mistress.


Yvonne: It’s been great to get to know you both here on the podcast.


Ms. Olivia: Yvonne, you and I have been talking for ages. Have you learned things about me? Have you learned I’m even weirder than you first thought?


Yvonne: Yes.


Ms. Erika: Not only is this going to be a great interview, but I get to sit and watch our girl blushing in that beautiful dress. It’s fantastic. I love it.


Ms. Olivia: Describe the dress for us.


Yvonne: It’s satin, a mermaid dress.


Ms. Erika: Look at her modeling. Ooo, crinoline underneath. That’s beautiful.


Ms. Olivia: It’s got quite a long train. 


Ms. Erika: I love the rhinestone applique at the empire waist. The one strap and the jewelry is beautiful.


Yvonne: Silver is my color. I wear it better than gold.


Ms. Erika: I had the pleasure of doing a session with both of you a while ago and one thing that impressed me was how natural, yet beautiful your makeup is done. Is it a challenge? Olivia and I probably grew up with an eyebrow pencil in our hands, so it comes naturally to hold those things. Do you have any advice for other girls out there struggling with makeup?


Yvonne: I struggled so much at first, but then I got Victoria Jackson’s book called Redefining Beauty: Discovering Your Individual Beauty, Enhancing Your Self-Esteem. It is about everyday makeup.


You don’t have to use her products to do it. She details all the techniques and that really helped me. The book is from 1993, so I have had it for almost 30 years. 


Ms. Olivia: Shhhh. We won’t mention any ages.


Ms. Erika: You were gifted it when you were born, right? “Welcome to the world! Here’s your makeup book.”


Yvonne: That book was very helpful. Another thing is we had a store down here in Ft. Lauderdale that catered to crossdressers almost exclusively. Some kink, but mostly cross-dressers. The ladies there showed me how to do makeup. My makeup is very, very simple.


Ms. Erika: It’s elegant and beautiful. It goes to show you don’t need a lot of makeup. You want to enhance your natural beauty. I love your eyebrows. I love the smokey eye at the edge. That really gives a nice touch, darling. 


Ms. Olivia: It also depends on the look you’re going for. I’ve noticed that sissies tend to not do natural makeup. They tend towards over-the-top eyes, bright red or bright pink lips, these kinds of things. Any girl defines her own style.


I tend to go more natural, but still definitely there because if I go completely natural, I have no eyebrows or eyelashes. Same as Yvonne. We have a very similar coloring.


Ms. Erika: Blondes have more challenges in the eyebrow/eyelash areas.


Ms. Olivia: We sent out a questionnaire and asked, “Ladies, what questions do you have?”


We know that a crossdresser is different from a trans woman, who is different from someone who identifies as a sissy. There can be a blending of the types of women, depending on their moods or needs.


I’m going to use the terms somewhat interchangeably because the advice and insight can work for all of them as well as ciswomen who might be having trouble with their makeup.


We got this from someone who identifies as a sissy:


“I am 51 and started to be honest with myself later in life, so it is nice to hear info that we older sissies can learn from. Things that might be useful are the comparisons older sissies put on themselves between the idealized sissy you see on the Internet and the person you are. I feel it might be similar to the unfortunate comparisons women have with how marketing makes women feel like they need to look a certain way compared to reality.” 


Yvonne, thoughts?


Yvonne: It’s a challenge, no matter how you look at it. We’re not born women so we have to learn, even re-educate ourselves, how to look like a woman.


Ms. Olivia: Not every body looks like a model’s body. I have a shorter torso and longer legs. Certain things that look amazing on some women don’t look good on me. I have to get a size larger in order for my shoulders and back to fit right because I was a competitive swimmer in high school and college. I get the larger size and then have it tapered in my torso.


It’s a myth that everybody should be able to wear everything, be able to buy it off the rack, and it fits divinely. 


Did you think that, Yvonne?


Yvonne: I went through so much trial and error. 


This silhouette looks good on me, but if I wear an A-line, it looks like I’m housing Bedouins.


Ms. Erika: Is that how you developed your sense of style? By trying on a lot of different dresses and seeing what looked good?


Yvonne: I went to a Bridal Salons. My first wedding dress, I went to a Bridal Salon and had three fittings.


Ms. Erika: That is fantastic. 


Did you take advice from anyone while you were at the shop? Did they just tell you that you looked great and you said to yourself, “Are you out of your mind?”


Yvonne: They were really good. The dress was a column dress that had a detachable train. It was very easy to wear without the train. With the train, you better be walking straight because that thing will wrap around you like a python.


I was lucky because my mother had a great sense of style. She dressed herself, my father, and me. She dressed all of us.


Ms. Olivia: She dressed you as a boy. Did you ever talk to her about wanting to wear ladies’ clothes?


Yvonne: Yes. I was her sole caregiver for the last three years of her life. She broke her hip and even then I was starting to wear nightgowns to bed. I would get up in the morning wearing a nightgown and she started talking about it. She was totally cool with it.


Ms. Olivia: Tell us about that conversation. I think it’s a conversation a lot of people want to have and are scared of.


Yvonne: It is difficult. I began to really express my femininity when I was caring for her. I felt she should know about it.


Ms. Erika: How did it make you feel, darling, when your mother was okay with it?


Yvonne: It totally relaxed me.


Ms. Erika: Nothing else mattered. It didn’t matter if anyone else disagreed with your lifestyle or your choice of dress. As long as your mom agreed, nothing else mattered. I love that.


Yvonne: She was a true mom.


Ms. Erika: I am going to cry. So many people we talk to are just dying to be accepted. 


Ms. Olivia: We’re all going to cry. Yvonne, I told you to wear waterproof mascara. We all fucked up. We all should have been in waterproof mascara.


I watched a movie recently, Everybody’s Talking About Jamie. It’s a movie about a boy in England who wants to grow up and be a drag queen. It’s on Amazon Prime. His mother is so incredibly supportive and I couldn’t help but think of all the people we talk to that don’t have that support. 


Especially from the people who know your history for the longest amount of time.


Yvonne: My brother knows about me, but we don’t talk about it. He walked in on me and walked right back out again.


Ms. Olivia: Have either of you ever said anything? 


Yvonne: Nope. Never said another word about it. My brother is like trying to talk to the CIA. He’s closed. He’s the biggest closed book you’ve ever seen. 


Ms. Erika: But in his own way, even though he is so stoic and not very open, he is accepting as well by not actively trying to thwart your efforts. He is not disowning you. He’s not like, “I’m not talking to that drag queen.” Even though he can’t have that much of an open heart, I feel he’s accepting in his own way.


Yvonne: My brother doesn’t have a bigoted bone in his body.


Ms. Olivia: I love that.


Yvonne, what advice would you have for someone who wants to have this conversation with their original family?


Yvonne: Wow, all you can do is be honest about yourself. Getting family members to accept you is totally up in the air. You don’t know how it is going to go.


Ms. Erika: I would imagine it is highly individualized. You were blessed with an open-minded family for the most part. But a lot of people, depending on their religious backgrounds, their cultural backgrounds, it could be detrimental.


Because of that, I am glad we are here because you are always welcome to open up with us. We can be your second family that accepts, adores, and celebrates who you are.


Yvonne: I am so glad I found you. When I first started this journey, there was no Internet. When I could finally get online, I found a whole community of people I could talk to. It was a Godsend. 


Ms. Olivia: Did you think you were alone?


Yvonne: I knew I wasn’t alone because of the store. I met a couple of cross dressers there, but I didn’t know how widespread this was.


Ms. Olivia: How old were you when you found the store?


Yvonne: Late thirties.


Ms. Olivia: So, you’ve known since your mid-teens?


Yvonne: Much earlier. When I was five years old, my mother took me to a family gathering in Maine, where she was from. We were there for a wedding, but the guys begged off and went to a Portland Sea Dogs game and I was dragged to the wedding.


I saw the bride and I was hooked. 


Ms. Erika: You fell in love. She seemed like a princess to you. Everybody paid attention to her. She was the star for the day. I can see how important and impactful that was for you.


Yvonne: Thus my love of wedding gowns.


Ms. Olivia: We’ve got another question. This is from jem:


First, his comment. Gem says, “I call myself a sissy, though like everyone, I’ve claimed that word for my own meaning. A sissy loves to be feminized, wear sexy women’s clothing and lingerie, be treated as a sexy slut, and perform like a sexy slut with women or men. It doesn’t require a Mistress but enjoys talking with Mistresses.”


Gem wants to know: “What do you call yourself and what does that mean for you?”


Yvonne is a lady. She is not a slut.


What do you call yourself and why?


Yvonne: When I’m dressed up, I call myself a woman. When I’m not dressed up, I don’t call myself a woman.


Ms. Erika: Gotcha.


How did you arrive at your femme name? It’s very common with our clients that when they enter the world as their male selves, they use their given male name, but when they dress or play, they adopt a female name. How did you come up with Yvonne?


Yvonne: When I was younger, I had a thing for Yvonne De Carlo, but not as Lily Munster. She was in a lot of movies I liked back in the day. I think the first time she really struck me was when I saw Ten Commandments with Charlston Heston. She played his wife and I thought she was divine.


Ms. Erika: I’ve found that to be true, Olivia, that some of our girls adopt the name of a woman who was impactful to them in their lives.


Ms. Olivia: I think that’s a very female thing. I don’t know if you did this, but when I was a little kid, I refused to answer to anything other than Amy. I have no idea where that came from, but I just said, “No. You will call me Amy now.” Bless my parents, they said, “C’mon, Amy. Let’s go.” They put up with it for about three or four months. 


Ms. Erika: I don’t remember doing that. I say, “Don’t call me late for dinner.” I don’t care. I got that from an uncle up in heaven. Thanks, uncle. As a kid I thought that was the stupidest thing and now I’m saying it.


Ms. Olivia: What is your full name, Yvonne?


Yvonne: My middle name is Christina. That’s my grandmother’s name. Yvonne Christina.


Ms. Olivia: You’ve talked a little bit about when you started and how the Internet really changed things. Talk a little bit about finding a community that recognized you, celebrated you, and could provide practical tips and solid information.


Yvonne: I didn’t have a computer at first. I had WebTV. You plugged a 56K modem into your TV set and it was a dial-up through your phone line. I got on there and typed in the search engine, “crossdressers” and came up with this site called TG Forums, which is still around, but not in the same format as it was back then.


They had a great chat room on there where I talked to a lot of people from all over the world. It was great. It helped me decide I wasn’t trans and I knew I was a cross-dresser and I liked feeling feminine. I didn’t need hormones or surgery.


Ms. Olivia: That brings up a good point. If there had been the Internet back when you were in your early twenties, do you think you might have considered hormones or surgery?


Yvonne: I don’t think so.


Ms. Erika: There’s a lot of confusion for those who have less than mainstream desires when it comes to crossdressing and the interactions with the same or opposite sex. It has to all be sorted out. That’s one of the things we do, help them through their journey. 


Clients say, ”I just like feeling feminine. I love my male body.” 


I’ve been told before, “I love my penis and my testicles. They’re fine. But crossdressing provides a different experience, a more feminine experience.”


Some use it as stress relief. Some will do it instead of reading a good book. They femininize themselves and there is a sort of solace in that.


Yvonne: It’s very, very relaxing.


Ms. Olivia: Tell us more about the stress relief. When Erika said that, Yvonne, you started nodding up and down, your earrings are swinging back and forth. Your hair is moving. Tell us about the stress relief because it isn’t sexual. When we say stress relief, it isn’t a sexual release.


Yvonne: It’s the stress of the day. Since I’ve retired, I’m not dressing as much as when I worked. I was in a very Alpha male situation. Both my last two jobs were Alpha male. I had to be Alpha male all the time. Dressing would take the sorrows of the day away.


Ms. Erika: It’s hard to describe, but it can be like a meditative process. You’re stripping off the stress of the day as you take off your male clothes. Perhaps you take a nice bath or shower, put some femme lotion on and you start transporting yourself into this beautiful existance. 


With that said, Olivia brought up the point that feminization is not always sexual. For the person being feminized, it can be. 


Have you ever encountered erotica that really spoke to you? Perhaps a story or a scene that made you think you wanted to be a crossdresser? That you were not trans, but a cross dresser, not a sissy. Books or clips? Anything like that?


Yvonne: I remember reading a book, a dirty book, and in it there was a chapter where this small male was completely feminized. They sucked cock, things like that. There was a great deal of detail about the men, about them dressing.


Ms. Erika: And you read that chapter over and over and over.


Yvonne: It was the only thing I found.


Ms. Erika: That resonated with you, that spoke to you.


Yvonne: Then we had these free periodicals down here. Miami had one, Ft. Lauderdale had one. That’s where I found the store. They had ads for strippers and call girls. The store for crossdressers was in there, too. It’s how I found the store.


Ms. Olivia: A follow-up question: Yes, cross-dressing can be sexual, but it’s not primarily sexual. How do you feel being lumped into sexual fetishes?


Yvonne: That’s a tough one. Personally, I don’t care for it.


Ms. Erika: It frustrates you. It limits you. You are more than that.


Yvonne: I am much more than that.


Ms. Olivia: Tell us more about that, Yvonne.


Yvonne: I am still a work in progress even after all these years. I haven’t fully explored this yet. Every time we do a call or a podcast, it’s a new adventure for me. And I learn something about myself.


Ms. Erika: That’s fantastic.


That’s a great point, Olivia. People categorize us because we’re in the “sex industry.” They think, “She’s used to looking at dicks. I’m going to throw this in her DM.” 


Yvonne and people like her, see Twitter or social media and automatically jump to thinking about the sexual sissy side. That’s an unfair assumption. So if you are listening to this podcast, just because a male-born person enjoys feminine clothes, at whatever level, know that some just enjoy panties. They are totally into women. They don’t want anything else. They just love the panties.


You have to get to know them before assuming they are like gem, the person who’s question we took earlier, who wants to be a sissy slut. You can’t just assume. Take every snowflake and learn about that snowflake and be respectful.


Yvonne: Yes, we are all different.


Ms. Olivia: I think the whole sissy thing is a fairly new phenomenon. Even within the last five years, it has become such a big thing. It’s talked about so much.


Remember, Yvonne, when you asked me if I thought you were a sissy or wanted to explore being a sissy? We talked about that on calls for a while. Why did you ask about being a sissy?


Yvonne: I think it was part of the exploration to find out my identity. A sissy would dress like this, but I think most of them go for the sissy bimbo look.


Ms. Erika: A great deal do.


I tell clients that whatever they want to identify with, I roll with. I say that a lot. If you come to me as a sissy, you come to me as a cross dresser, even if your behavior doesn’t fit into the box of what I feel you might be, this is your life. You get to say who you are.


Ms. Olivia: One thing you do have in common with sissies and some of the other girls is the sense of wanting to go to a finishing school. You and I have talked a lot about the Lady’s Finishing School. 


You are walking across the stage in a beautiful wedding dress, going to the HeadMistress for your diploma. Then you walk to me where I then lift your veil and give you a true woman-to-woman kiss.


Do you need to pick up your fan and fan yourself, sweetheart?


Ms. Erika: Yvonne is so adorable. She has a little fan that she fans herself with. It’s so cute.


Ms. Olivia: Especially when I say something she will react to.


Yvonne: When you make me blush.


Ms. Olivia: What kind of classes would be part of a finishing school?


Yvonne: You have to have walking. You have to have voice, which I desperately need.


Ms. Olivia: Wait. Stop. What do you mean you need it desperately? We’ve talked about your voice. What the fuck?


Yvonne: I don’t practice enough.


Ms. Olivia and Ms. Erika in unison: Ahhhh. 


Ms. Olivia: What did I tell you was the most important thing about your voice?


Yvonne: Don’t try and make it high and squeaky. Talk in a normal tone. I am a singer, so I have a pretty good two and a half to three octave range, but I find myself now sounding more like a man.


Ms. Olivia: Why do you say that?


Yvonne: Because it’s me talking, I guess.


Ms. Olivia: Let me tell you. We’ve had a lot of people on the show. Mistresses do audios, all of that kind of stuff. Every single person here, and I mean every single person who has ever been recorded on audio or in the movies, hates their voice.


Erika, do you like your voice?


Ms. Erika: No, I don’t, but I’m glad a lot of people do so I roll with it.


This is really a good point because a lot of feminization clients feel the same way. How do you learn about changing your voice, but also walking, sitting, turning, how do you learn to be more feminine? Do you watch people in public?


Yvonne: I have several female role models.


Ms. Olivia: Give us some ideas of female role models.


Yvonne: One woman I’ve known for 20 years is a bartender. I go visit her once a week in Boca Raton. She was not a tomboy, but she doesn’t mess around. She walks in a very feminine manner and has very feminine mannerisms. But, it’s not exaggerated.


Ms. Erika: Not flamboyant.


Ms.Olivia: Reese Witherspoon in Legally Blonde was flamboyantly female. She always wore pink. She had pens with feather poofy things on them. She carried a little dog in a handbag. Those sorts of things.


I don’t mince around.


Yvonne: Most women don’t. My mother didn’t. That didn’t mean she didn’t move elegantly, because she did.


Ms. Erika: If there’s one thing about feminine speech and how we talk, comparing it to yourself, can you identify an easy change for you?


(We’re doing a session right now.)


Yvonne: One of the things about a woman’s voice is it fluctuates. Men tend to speak in monotone. That is something I try to work on.


Ms. Erika: That is a great point. As we were going around Twitter a couple of weeks ago, scientists were watching brain activity when men spoke to other men. It was processed by one part of the brain.


When men listened to women’s voices, it was processed by the part of the brain that processes music. 


Yvonne, you have it right there. You hit the nail on the head. We speak in a more melodious fashion.


Women also tend to be more inclusive in language. Men will say, “I got this great blah-blah-blah and did this and this.”


Women say, “Oh, darling, you should have been there with me. You would have loved this. “ They bring the other person into the conversation.


I’m going to tell a little story. I’m going on an excursion.


Ms. Olivia: I told you she would go on an excursion. We are right there with you, Erika. Go!


Ms. Erika: I worked at a place where we were able to dress for Halloween every year and I am not your buy-a-plastic-mask-and-put-it-on-your-face kinda gal. I’m very creative. I’ve dressed up as Flo from Progressive, I’ve dressed up as several different things. Even Ellen Degeneres. I don’t look like any of those women, but what I learned was to give them 50% of the picture and people will fill in the rest by themselves. 


I got comments like, “Oh, my God. You look just like Ellen!” or “God, you look just like Flo.” I didn’t, but I gave them enough of the picture that they fell for it.


Ms. Olivia: They didn’t really fall for it, because the brain fills in the rest. That’s what the brain does. It gets discrete pieces of information and the neural pathways fill it in. You’re not even hoodwinking anyone. Your brain is getting all the cues for Flo or for Ellen and the brain just naturally goes there.


Ms. Erika: So we’re talking about feminine speech, both of you are right. A lot of feminization clients want to say, “Hi, my name is Trixie,” and it sounds so fake or phony. Not only is it going to hurt your vocal cords after a while, you’re not going to sound genuine. 


This is a free assignment everybody. Get your pens out.


I want you to think of several things you say routinely. “Good morning.” “Hey, how are you doing?” “Can I get another refill?” Whatever you would say routinely. I want you to phrase it in a more feminine way. “Hi, if you don’t mind, could you refill my coffee?” and practice that inflection.


“Hi” (said with upper and lower notes) – changing your voice. That’s 50%. Everybody is going to pick up the other 50%. Their brains are going to put it together and you’re going to feel and sound more feminine.


Ms. Olivia: Yvonne, what’s your reaction to that?


Yvonne: You make a good point. When a person listens to music, it operates a lot of centers in the brain. It does that when a person plays musical instruments and sings, it’s similar to a full body aerobic workout for your brain.


Just like you said, you gave them indicators and they picked up on it. You said you were going to be Flo and they saw that. The same kind of synapses happen when you listen to music.


Ms. Erika: Maybe you practice your feminine voice while you listen to music to help you get into that mindset.


I have to tell you, though, you have the mannerisms down. I’m watching you and your hands are twirling like a ballerina up and down. That part is spot on, girl.


Look at her blush.


Ms. Olivia: Did you paint your nails, Yvonne?


Yvonne: I painted them yesterday,


Ms. Olivia: In preparation for the podcast?


Yvonne: Yes.


Ms. Erika and Ms. Olivia in unison: I love that!


Yvonne: They won’t look so nice after I play the guitar.


Ms. Olivia: What would you say to your younger self?


Yvonne: Be honest with myself.


Ms. Olivia: Remember, be nicer to your younger self. 


What would you say to young Yvonne?


Yvonne: Be fabulous! 


Ms. Erika: Don’t worry about anybody else. You do you, girl.


Even though we are not mentioning any ages, I am assuming it would have been extremely detrimental to have “come out” as a crossdresser all those years ago.


Yvonne: It was a different time. It was a much different time. We’ve re-gressed in some ways, but in a lot of ways, we have pro-gressed.


Ms. Erika: We are glad you are here with us now.


Yvonne: I love talking to y’all. Unless the podcast is something that doesn’t interest me, I listen every week. 


Ms. Erika: What on earth could not interest you when it comes to the fabulous Miss Olivia?


Ms. Olivia: I’m shocked. What did we have recently? The Stroke-a-thon.


We have to remember Yvonne is a lady. She is my fiance and she is locked down until after the wedding.


Yvonne, explain about chastity and feminization.


Yvonne: It keeps my head in the right direction. Chastity keeps me focused on my femininity.


Ms. Olivia: I keep telling her that after the wedding, I will let her out of chastity. That may or may not happen.


Ms. Erika: This conversation took a turn. Are you blushing darling, to have me know that?


Yvonne: Without a doubt.


Ms. Olivia: You’re blushing.


Ms. Erika: Yvonne, the lady, would blush, right?


Ms. Olivia: As we step gently, in our high heels, towards the end of this podcast, we want to remind people that The Weekly Hot Spot is on a bunch of podcast platforms. We just went up on Amazon. When we got the invite from Amazon, I was like, “Wow! Okay! I’ll get right on there.”


In Amazon, go to their podcasts and put The Weekly Hot Spot in the search bar and it will take you right there. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and leave a review. We want everyone to leave reviews. Follow. Like. Leave a review. If we are not on the platform you use, let us know and Erika will fix it.


Ms. Erika: Erika to the rescue!


Ms. Olivia: Yvonne, you can figure it out. You’re good at this stuff. 


Yvonne: I’m still learning to use a computer again. I’m so spoiled by my iPad.


Ms. Erika: Yeah, it is a little bit different. I’m not afraid to push buttons. “What will this do?” click


Ms. Olivia: I am finally getting the transcripts of the previous episodes done, so look up the blog and you will see episode links, photos, it will all be transcribed. It will be so beautiful. I am way behind. When I went to look how far behind, I realized I was like 20 episodes behind. 


Yvonne: That’s a lot of transcribing.


Ms. Olivia: Yeah, that’s a lot of transcribing. An hour-long episode is 7,000-8,000 words. It is transcribed with artificial intelligence then go in and get the transcription, edit that and then go in and format it so it’s easy to read. Then put the subheadings, links, pictures, and stuff. It’s no small thing, but it just looks so pretty.


Ms. Erika: You do fabulously.


Yvonne: That’s usually where I leave my reviews.


Ms. Olivia: Oh, I love that. Thank you. You’ve seen your first episode, Yvonne, that’s already up on the blog. What did you think when you saw it and all the pictures and images and everything up?


Yvonne: Oh, it has been a while. I will have to go back and look. I have the link and will do that.


Ms. Olivia: I forgot to ask you this earlier. How many wedding gowns, ball gowns, and tea dresses do you have?


Yvonne: I am right around 70.


Ms. Erika: Mind blown.


Ms. Olivia: Erika, do you have 70 dresses?


Ms. Erika: I do not. I can tell you unequivocally, I do not.


Ms. Olivia: If I include all my fetish shoes, I might have 70 shoes. If you include the kink.


Yvonne, any final thoughts?


Yvonne: It’s just been a thrill to talk to you two.


Ms. Erika: It’s been wonderful talking to you, sweet lady.


Yvonne: I like sharing this stuff.


Ms. Erika: I know there’s going to be people out there that listen to this podcast that can identify with your struggles, your challenges, and who are able to celebrate who they are like you’ve learned to celebrate who you are.


Yvonne: When I did the last podcast with Delia and Olivia, they both told me afterwards, I was a rockstar. 


Ms. Erika: 15 minutes of fame, darling.


Ms. Olivia: It’s an hour-long podcast worth of fame plus the transcription. You’re an hour-long podcast of fame plus 8,000 words and images. That’s a lot of fame. We went way beyond Andy Warhol’s 15 minutes.


Ms. Erika: That was before the Interwebs, when he said that.


Ms. Olivia: Andy Warhol, that was the 70’s, right?


Yvonne: 60’s and 70’s.


Ms. Olivia: I wasn’t even around then.


Ms. Erika: I know people who were, so it’s all good. I French kissed a couple of them. I’ll stop there because Miss Yvonne is a lady.


Ms. Olivia: Miss Yvonne is definitely a lady. She is once, twice, three times a lady.


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Ms. Olivia: Yvonne, Thank you so much for being with us. 


One final question: How long are you going to stay in that gown?


Yvonne: A while.


Ms. Olivia: Good. Beautiful. Thank you for wearing it for us today. We really appreciate it. 


Hugs and kisses.


Thank you to all of our listeners. We will see you next time on The Weekly Hot Spot.